Without You, There Is No Us

Without You, There Is No Us

My Time With the Sons of North Korea's Elite

Book - 2014
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"A ... memoir of teaching English to the sons of North Korea's ruling class during the last six months of Kim Jong-il's reign"--Amazon.com
Publisher: New York : Crown Publishers, [2014]
Edition: First edition
ISBN: 9780307720658
Branch Call Number: 818.603 K5607K 2014
Characteristics: 291 pages : illustrations, maps ; 22 cm


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Jul 01, 2020

I wasn't overly impressed with this book. It is a good, light, quick read. I would recommend it to people who've never read anything about North Korea as an easy-to-read introduction. There's not too much depth here and her writing isn't that impressive. I was shocked to discover it was a New York Times Bestseller. Apparently a second edition came out titled "Without You, There Is No Us: UNDERCOVER Among the Sons of North Korea's Elite." As someone who has worked undercover for the CIA, I think it's a bit of a stretch to say she was "undercover," but, I'm sure that sells more books.

I have also been to North Korea, specifically to Mt. Kŭmgang, (I've traveled extensively through Asia & Europe). The Diamond Mountain - in English - was one of the most stunningly beautiful places I've ever seen in all of my travels. But Kim doesn't describe the mountains or it's beauty in any detail.

I also thought the book was full of conjecture and speculation, not facts.

For those interested in an in-depth, first-person account of daily life in North Korea I highly recommend reading "The Girl with Seven Names: A North Korean Defector’s Story." You'll find some things contradict with what Suki Kim wrote in her book after her 3 month stay. "The Girl with Seven Names" was a beautifully written book, I flew through it in 2 days.

Apparently there is some controversy with the book, saying that Kim endangered the students and other staff. She's also been accused of sensationalizing stories and making false claims about university staff in her book.

Despite all of this, I would recommend reading it if you have an interest in North Korea. It's pretty short, and a very easy read. But, for a more in-depth, substantive book, I would look elsewhere.

Feb 27, 2020

god bless them..

Sep 06, 2017

I selected this book because I had just read an article on this group of teachers and the PUST in a recent "Time" magazine. It does give you a picture of a small percentage of the N. Korea population(the elite) but for a better idea of the average persons' daily life read "The Girl with Seven Names Escape from North Korea" by Hyeonseo Lee. That book also gives you a perspective on China and it's relationship with North Korea. With everything going on between our country and NK and China I want to know more about these countries and their relationships.

Aug 16, 2017

Everything I have read about NK is from people who have escaped the country.

This book is written by someone who is experiencing NK as a teacher and will only be there for a limited time. It's difficult to imagine someone would go there voluntarily but in the time she spends with her students, she gives us a look into the daily lives of young people in NK and their blind obedience to their "dear leader".

Apr 26, 2017

Gives the readers an overview of what life in North Korea is. Brave writer! ❤️

Apr 02, 2017

I found this extemely interesting to understand life in North Korea. It takes place at a university for elite males. Amazing how sheltered from the outside they are and the propoganda that is fed to them. The things they believe about the outside world, and how they are taught to think of the americans and japanese as their enemies.
Also they are taught to believe that North Korea is so far advanced in technology compared to everywhere else.
They have Intranet but have no idea about Internet and the capabilities. Their whole life is programmed to work for the state and to adore Kim Jung Il.
It is told by a native South Korean now living in the US. She is a journalist who goes there to teach and risks being caught writing details of the life of the students while she is there.

Sep 21, 2016

Just finished the book written by Suki Kim. A very interesting book, I must say.
Kim, as a south Korea-born american journalist who passed as a Christian missionary teaching English in North Korea, had unique perspectives on North Korean society. Kim made it clear that she did not pretend to know the "real" North Korean society as she was not allowed to mingle with normal North Koreans and most of what she learned about it was through interactions with her students by earning their trusts.
As someone who lived in China through 1960s and 1970s, I thought I knew a bit about the current North Korean society as I also lived through periods where we had to watch what we said and what we did. At the darkest moments, some people even tried not to fall asleep lest they said something in their sleeps that could be used against them. However, even those darkest moments in China pales in comparison with what North Koreans are enduring now.
Another interesting parallel between China and North Korea was that by mid-1970s, Chinese people were generally disillusioned by the revolution as well as the communist party. People were still saying the right things in public, but the party's grip on the society was getting weaker and weaker. So I wonder why this did not happen in North Korea. Or maybe it's happening, but it's happening so slow that we just don't know.
Coming back to Kim's book, she describes the oppressive atmosphere that is usual in any authoritarian society, no surprise there. No surprise either on the poor lives of the people there. What should be kept in mind throughout this book is that she was teaching in a school for the privileged North Korean kids, and if the lives of these kids are this bad, imagine what lives of low ranked people would be!
Kim did mention that. a few times, her students blurted out some facts that they were not supposed to know considering how tightly controlled the information flow is in North Korea. So maybe the party's control is slowly eroding. What will this lead to is another question.
In her book, she also drew comparisons between North Korean party and its Great Leader to Christianity and Jesus. This may be upsetting to Christians, but I totally understand. When I moved from China to Europe and then to Canada, I was approached by many missionaries/Christian friends trying to convince me of the greatness of Christianity. I also said to them: look, I left China because I want to be free, I want to be able to think for myself and take my life into my own hands. I'm not going to trade one belief system for another one. What's the difference between studying Bible and studying the Mao's teachings? It's the same thing! Why the hell do I want to do this all over again?
Kim said that when she attended Sunday service held by missionaries in the school, she couldn't help but think that by swapping Jesus with the Great Leader/Dear Leader, you actually have the same thing. This is exactly what I said after going to a few church services and I'm glad that she pointed this out.
All in all, it's good book that is well written and very informative, offering a rare glimpse to a country that most of us do not know and, honestly, do not particularly care. I enjoyed reading it and would recommend others to do so too.

Sep 01, 2016

An interesting read in spite of the sometimes tedious prose.

But it's unfortunate that we westerners only see this one type of narrative when a writer references North Korea. Yes it's a shame that there is more corruption in N.K. than say, in Canada. But in a country who's population is about the same as Canada's, surely there must be other stories there.

sungeun2k1 Aug 20, 2016

"When I visited either of the two Koreas I always imagined that I was traveling back to my roots and would discover new truths about my past. Now it occurred to me that the past I was seeking had for many years been buried under and overtaken by American and Chinese influences. The Korea of my imagination existed only in paintings, history books, the memories of older generations, and in the remnants that I glimpsed, every now and then, like shards of glass poking out from the buried past."

Moments like these are the best parts of this book, where the author's personal history intersects with the history and context of her time in North Korea, which offers a specific perspective on the situation. I also appreciated and found validity in the parallels she drew between her students' unwavering devotion to the regime and her colleagues' unwavering devotion to their religion.

Mostly though, after reading this book, I'm left with the question: now what? We are already fully aware that North Korea is one of the worst human rights crises of our time, including the government's control over its citizens' free speech and access to information--this book pretty much just refreshes that picture. The story ends on a note of helplessness, which, though understandable, is the most frustrating thing about it.

PimaLib_MaryG Jan 15, 2016

North Korea has intrigued me ever since I visited South Korea in the '80s. This book opens a door into the secretive world that is North Korea today and to the world of secret evangelizers that are trying to plant seeds for future missionary work. Fascinating.

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